Sunday, September 4, 2011

“How can anyone muddle through such a mess?”


“How can anyone muddle through such a mess?”  This is a fascinating article with some strong opinions that I rather like for the focus is placed on this: “If God is a loving Father, why does he so seldom answer his needy children’s prayers?” The reason this question demands more than a pat answer is because it deals with disappointment, neglect, silence, and heartache. The question pulls on the very shirtsleeve of a vital relationship."  

 http://wizbangblog.com/2011/09/03/how-can-anyone-muddle-through-such-a-mess/

Coexist"I was listening recently to a collection of interviews on the subject of spirituality. They asked hundreds of people the same question; simply, “Who is God?” But the answers were as diverse as the patches on a quilt, and the finished product was not at all a comforting blanket of great divinity, but little more than a mat of troubled chaos, gapping holes, and contradiction. Coming to the end of that message, I sighed deeply—how can anyone muddle through such a mess? We seem to make gods in our own images as fast as we can get them off the assembly line.
[Charles] Templeton and the many who echo him are absolutely right to point out as troubling the sheer number and seeming characters of these divinities, who “hate every people but their own…[who] are jealous, vengeful…utter egotists and insist on frequent praise and flattery.”(3) In fact, the prophet Jeremiah made a similar point. He called it a “discipline of delusion” to chase after gods as if it were a matter of preference and not a matter pertaining to what is real. “They are altogether stupid and foolish,” he wrote of these individuals. “In their discipline of delusion—their idol is wood” (Jeremiah 10:8). The world of gods is indeed a chaotic place. And yet, isn’t it somewhat hasty to reject every divinity in the room simply because there is more than one? In doing so, it would seem we use our own complaint against Christianity (it is arrogant to say there is only one God) as the reason to reject it (it is ridiculous that there is more than one god).
Further, the description of angry gods in abundance brings us back to the question raised at the beginning. “If God is a loving Father, why does he so seldom answer his needy children’s prayers?” The reason this question demands more than a pat answer is because it deals with disappointment, neglect, silence, and heartache. The question pulls on the very shirtsleeve of a vital relationship. Perhaps it is subtle, but the question itself seems to point to something inherently different about this God—something that sets this Father significantly apart from the sea of divine chaos. The gods Templeton and many others describe do not at all seem like gods we would miss if they were far away. They are not the kind of gods we would be saddened by if they were silent, or dare to be angry with if they disappointed us. Like all children with parents that we do not always understand, sometimes we ask questions that aren’t entirely fair (or even sensible). And sometimes we ask questions that give away the relational presence of the one we wrestle with under the surface.
I believe it is more than helpful to recognize the human capacity to create gods and chase after delusion. But so I think it is vital to recognize that not all gods are created equal, and there is reason to believe there might be one who isn’t created at all.
I tend to think, perhaps too simplistically, that so many of our woes today are the direct result of this stupid notion that all religions are alike, that in the end, there’s not a great deal of difference between the many faiths, whether they be found within Christianity or whether they include the other ‘great’ religions.
If this idiocy is embraced, is there little wonder that we’ll believe anything, that as long as someone is sincere, that sincerity is enough?
The fruits of this sort of shallowness is manifesting itself in just about every walk of life. For our sake personally, and for the good of society, it behooves us to go deeper."


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 “How can anyone muddle through such a mess?”  Read some of the comments below by posters in response to this author's opinion.  Fascinating discussions and valid arguments on both, or should one say, many, sides.



  • Without going into the behavior of individual theists, I can say with confidence that I find all theories regarding gods equally valid.

  • I'd then say that you sir are in this post's kill zone...

  • Rick, JWH has a point too often ignored in discussing religion. I'd be careful when aiming any lethal verbiage. Too many paradoxes exist in any belief-based system to justify the arrogance that any one believer is certain justifies their system over others. I am still mystified that the professed humble nature of Christianity is shellacked thickly with the arrogance of certainty.

    Or as my cousin wrote recently describing her experiences at the epicenter of the recent Virginia natural disasters: "I met a lady in town who in talking about the destruction in her shop and church said 'Thank God that no one was hurt!' - and I wonder who she thanked for the earthquake."

  • "Too many paradoxes exist in any belief-based system to justify the
    arrogance that any one believer is certain justifies their system over
    others. I am still mystified that the professed humble nature of
    Christianity is shellacked thickly with the arrogance of certainty."

    Good points, Doc.

  • Was Christ humble when He called himself the Way, the Truth and the Life? What about his disciples who went out in His name and converting so many to this Way, were they preaching uncertainty? Were most of them martyred because they were uncertain? Give me a break... please...

    Though I think I see what you both are getting at... the mindset that humility can be an indication of the Spirit's work in a person's life and is indicative of that person being changed by his or her acceptance of the truth... but... is that humility birthed in the firm belief that what they believe is uncertain?

    Does not compute.

  • Humbleness and uncertainty are not equivalent. Please no distortions of our arguments.

    Assuming there is spirit and power out there that man has interpreted in many ways, and assuming Christ was one expression of this, I think it is likely that any one human's attempt to record and interpret this is guaranteed to be flawed. As thousands have been part of this expression of Christianity over the past two centuries, just how can anyone be so sure "the word" as it is spoken and written today by any sect is sacrosanct?

  • Interesting Doc... so at what point in history did the certainty of Christ as the Son of God as expressed by Him and by his disciples cease?

  • Again you change the argument and put words in my fingers.

    The problem is the many versions of this event and varied interpretations of those versions have led to many denominations who believe their version is the only one - and going back to the many ancient documents, some included in some versions of the Bible and some in others, and some in no modern ones, there is no way to logically select one as true and the rest distortions. Maybe they are all distorted. That does not make "the certainty of Christ as the Son of God" illogical, but it requires a humble attitude of acceptance that what you know in your heart may not be accurately expressed by the words that are used to express it.

    As you are then left with "taking it on faith" and as there are so many faiths, we end up with conflict.


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